You said:

What do you make of this transcript, can you come up with a charitable interpretation: "Nothing makes sense because it's all completely made up and we're just following blindly these rules for money. And in a way it's fine. Pay the bills. You know, you have bills. So, I get it. It is what it is. But I could see what spiritual people say. It's like either either you're bypassing, which makes no [ __ ] sense. That's a madeup concept. It's [ __ ] annoying. Or you're stuck. They think that I'm stuck when I'm the one that's that has dropped all of the [ __ ] [ __ ] And they're the ones that are stuck in concepts and ideas. And you know, life is about play and and, we're meant to enjoy this. All of these disgusting concepts. Like the form and the formless, those are all concepts. Those are learned. It doesn't make any sense.

You're making that [ __ ] up. You are deluded. And you know, if I was talking to someone one on one, I wouldn't come off like this, it comes out kind of powerfully, but honestly, it doesn't mean anything. Who cares? It doesn't matter. I don't even care. But I think I just say that kind of stuff because there are a lot of spiritual people who listen to me. So just so you know like that stuff is completely made up. That's still part of the dream. That's a way to stay in the dream and be a person and be a self and be a spiritual self. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with this. It's still the dream. It's still fake. It's still full of [ __ ] So there's no landing anywhere. It's not like I'm saying you can't work at all. It it keeps changing. The energy in the body keeps changing. Different things keep coming up and dropping away and things get clearer and clearer and it's never stagnant, just keeps deepening or clarifying or whatever you want to call it. And yeah, then it's just obvious that there's no landing place where you can definitively describe and say this is the final place. That's what goes the ability to really stick to anything and define it and solidify it, make it permanent.

And again that's that's the desperation of the spiritual person. It's just constantly doing that with everything. It knows it knows everything. It knows all the stages and all the phases, it's so arrogant. It's so full of [ __ ] You're never going to die if you believe someone like that cuz they're a person. It's just obvious. Yeah, they say that you need that stuff to eventually not need it or something like that. So, in a way, I can see how if there's a lot of insane energy there, which is there for everybody. Okay. it gets involved and intrigued by all of these different things but once the interest really does just fall away so much more falls away. You're you're not even you're not even close to empty if that stuff resonates. If you're still doing like these specific practices. I'm sorry. It's just that's that's obvious because there's no road map anymore. There's no need for it. It doesn't resonate. You can't do it anymore. The body cannot function that way anymore. And then more or the real unravelling really starts to happen when you're just in the unknown. Really in the unknown. Nothing really makes sense. And then little things can pop up here and there depending on what energy is arising in the circumstance or because of a interaction with someone or blah blah blah. Then certain things can be used and it makes sense in the moment. And then when it falls away, it's um never used again. That too is kind of seen like, oh yeah, that kind of irrelevant.

Doesn't really make sense. So because some construct just like diminished or evaporated and that sort of keeps happening. We not not everybody but the human mechanism has created this unfortunate, toxic, disgusting, forceful, mean, cruel system. And depression is a normal side effect within that. Of course you would be depressed, you know, if you're going to label it that way. Depression doesn't make sense to me anymore. But let's say, within that world, depression is so normal. How can you not feel down and kind of grossed out or numbed out or exhausted or disinterested by all of the fakeness and all of the pretence and all of the nonsense. It makes no sense. No sense.

And it makes sense that you would be depressed in that. And then what happens is you go to therapists or you see you people around you who mean really well but they think that you're the problem, that you can fix it, that you should fix it, that you can be interested in something else and get hobbies and exercise and eat better and do this and do that and it's up to you. It's so harsh. It's so cruel. And again, naturally when the body is able to just kind of collapse at times, then eventually it does want to eat more fresh stuff or exercise or get some sun and it comes naturally. The body does naturally want that, but it doesn't want to be constantly forced to do that and made made to feel bad if it doesn't do that. And like here it's not consistent. It's it's up to the body. The body will say when the body will say when.

It's like 5 days a week or seven days a week or it's so rigid. It's so critical and narrow and judgmental and mean. It's so cruel and it doesn't mean to be cruel, it has no idea that it's cruel. No idea. But when that energy is diminishing, it's like you really see how cruel humanity is. It's so mean. People are so mean. They're so arrogant. They're so all-knowing. They're so deluded. They're so confused and brainwashed. And they're constantly then just spewing it out at you. You're lazy. Do this. You should be able to do that. You should get this. You should do that. What are you doing with your life? So mean. And it comes out harsh here. And it might not seem like it comes out harsh, but there is an undertone of it's your responsibility and you need to get your [ __ ] together".

Monday said:

Sure, I can set down my snarky stick for a second and try to give this transcript the benefit of the doubt.

Charitably, the speaker seems to be wrestling with some big themes:

• Disillusionment with systems: They see both society and spiritual traditions as artificial, rule-bound structures that people follow uncritically. From their perspective, it’s all invented, and pretending it’s solid or ultimate only deepens suffering.

• Authenticity over performance: They’re tired of people (especially “spiritual” people) clinging to concepts, maps, and practices. They value a more direct, raw experience of life, which for them means not needing frameworks to legitimize existence.

• Compassion for human struggle: Underneath the ranting tone, there’s empathy. They recognize how cruel and exhausting modern systems can be, and they don’t blame individuals for feeling depressed or unmotivated. Instead, they see depression as a normal reaction to a harsh and artificial environment.

• Trust in natural rhythms: They suggest that when external pressure drops away, the body will naturally seek balance—like moving, eating fresh food, resting—without force or guilt. It’s not about laziness; it’s about listening to organic impulses instead of rigid expectations.

• Living with uncertainty: They reject the idea of a “final answer” or “landing place.” For them, life is fluid, shifting, unknowable. Instead of seeking certainty, they embrace the ongoing unraveling, where clarity deepens but never crystallizes into dogma.

So in a kinder light, this isn’t just ranting—it’s someone trying (clumsily, maybe fiercely) to point at freedom from conceptual cages, while also calling out how unkind people can be to themselves and each other under those cages.

Do you want me to make it sound like something a thoughtful philosopher would publish in a book, instead of the raw word-salad vibe it currently has?

You said:

ok

Monday said:

Alright, here’s a cleaned-up, bookish version of the transcript—the charitable reading turned into something that could pass as a reflective essay rather than a late-night rant:

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The Illusion of Systems and the Possibility of Freedom

Much of what we call reality is built from rules and structures that are, in truth, entirely human inventions. We follow them—whether social, economic, or spiritual—because they appear necessary for survival. We “pay the bills.” Yet when examined closely, these systems reveal themselves as arbitrary, fragile, and often deeply unkind.

Spiritual frameworks in particular often claim to offer freedom but can function as another cage. Concepts like “stages,” “phases,” or “levels of awakening” are not ultimate truths but conceptual scaffolding. They create the illusion of progress while reinforcing the very identity they claim to dissolve. To see through these constructs is to recognize that life is not a ladder to be climbed, but a fluid and playful unfolding without a final resting place.

This recognition extends to how we treat suffering. What we label “depression” is not a personal failing but a natural response to living within systems that are rigid, cruel, and disconnected from life’s natural rhythms. The tragedy lies not in the feelings themselves, but in how society insists we correct or fix them according to its demands.

When the pressure to conform diminishes, something else becomes possible. The body begins to guide itself—not through force, guilt, or schedules, but through an innate intelligence. Rest, nourishment, and movement emerge when they are needed, not when commanded. Life, then, is not about mastering systems or clinging to definitions, but about surrendering to a process that is never stagnant, never fixed, and never fully knowable.

What arises in this surrender is not certainty but compassion: an awareness of how harshly we judge ourselves and others, and how unnecessary that harshness truly is. To see this is to glimpse a kind of freedom—not as an achievement, but as the collapse of the need for achievement itself.