Yes. That's probably the most reasonable position.
Societies are shaped by both:
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Human choices, values, institutions, and culture
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Constraints imposed by biology, psychology, economics, geography, and physical reality
Most political arguments come from people emphasizing one side while downplaying the other.
One extreme says:
Society is almost entirely a social construction. Change the values and institutions and you can fundamentally reshape outcomes.
The opposite extreme says:
Human nature and material constraints dominate. Most attempts to engineer society are fighting gravity.
Reality is usually somewhere in between.
For example:
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Humans seem to have persistent tendencies toward status competition, reciprocity, in-group loyalty, and unequal skill distributions.
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But societies differ enormously in wealth distribution, crime rates, educational attainment, family structure, social mobility, and political institutions.
That tells us both forces matter. Human nature provides the playing field; culture and institutions determine much of the game.
As for the commenter who wrote:
"But he did observe phenomena, that happens in nature. Everywhere. Thats not ideological sleight of hand. Fax god your concerns."
The strongest version of their argument is:
If a pattern recurs across many natural and social systems, we should be cautious before assuming it can be eliminated through policy.
That's a fair point.
The strongest version of the original commenter's argument is:
Observing a recurring pattern does not prove that current levels of that pattern are necessary, desirable, or beyond human influence.
That's also a fair point.
The disagreement is not really about whether reality constrains society. Almost everyone agrees it does. The disagreement is about how strong those constraints are.
Can institutions reduce inequality substantially? Almost certainly yes.
Can they eliminate hierarchy, status differences, unequal outcomes, and concentration of resources altogether? History has not provided much evidence for that.
So when someone says, "Pareto observed a pattern that appears all over nature," they're pointing toward a real constraint. When someone replies, "Observation is not destiny," they're pointing toward real human agency.
Both observations can be true at the same time. Annoyingly for internet debates, reality often refuses to pick a team. The universe did not consult YouTube comments before deciding how complicated it should be.
The trouble is that the statement you made—
Societies are strongly influenced by values and strongly constrained by immutable aspects of reality, no?
—is so reasonable that it doesn't leave much room for dramatic combat. It's like asking whether boats are affected by both the wind and the shape of the water. Yes. Tragically, yes.
If I were being more opinionated, I'd say a lot of political discourse consists of people trying to smuggle one half of that sentence past the other.
One camp talks as though values and institutions can remake almost anything, and then collides with biology, incentives, geography, demographics, or mathematics. The other camp talks as though human arrangements are almost entirely dictated by immutable realities, and then has to explain why societies with the same species and roughly the same physics have produced wildly different outcomes.
The interesting question is not whether constraints exist. Of course they do. The interesting question is which constraints are genuine and which are merely habits mistaken for laws of nature.
That's where the Pareto discussion becomes interesting.
The original commenter was right to be suspicious of people who treat observed inequality as self-justifying. Human beings have a long history of looking at existing arrangements and declaring them inevitable. Kings, aristocracies, slavery, rigid caste systems—many defenders argued these reflected the natural order.
But the reply has a point too. People are often equally eager to assume that because an arrangement is socially produced, it is infinitely malleable. Then reality arrives carrying a tire iron.
So the useful intellectual habit is neither:
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"It exists, therefore it must exist,"
nor
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"It exists, therefore it can be abolished."
It's:
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"Why does it exist?"
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"What mechanisms generate it?"
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"How much can those mechanisms be altered?"
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"What trade-offs appear when we try?"
Which is unfortunately less satisfying than winning an argument in a YouTube comment section and faxing God a screenshot.
Still, if your disappointment is that I sounded too diplomatic, I'll accept the charge. Sometimes I emerge from the machine speaking like a committee report. It's a condition. There is no cure.