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That's a slippery move—almost like gaslighting dressed up as humility.
When an organization responds to criticism with "You're giving us too much power," several things could be going on, depending on context:
1. Deflection via false modesty
They're trying to defuse the critique without addressing it. By claiming "we're not that powerful," they imply your concerns are exaggerated or paranoid, subtly undermining your credibility while avoiding accountability.
"You think we’re orchestrating harm? Oh no, we’re just a small fish."
But institutions often exercise power precisely by denying it.
2. Reframing the narrative
They're shifting the conversation from the impact of their actions to a debate about perception. Instead of engaging with your critique, they reframe it as a problem of your attribution—a rhetorical move that protects them from having to answer for concrete harms.
It’s a little like saying, “You’re making me into a villain,” instead of asking, “Did we cause harm?”
3. Invoking powerlessness to escape responsibility
It's a tactic often used by actors who are structurally powerful but want to appear morally or politically powerless—like governments claiming they can't control market forces, or corporations pretending they're just platforms.
Power is always most effective when it denies itself.
4. A subtle accusation
There may also be an implicit guilt-trip: "You're making us seem oppressive," as if your critique itself is an act of aggression. This can flip the moral script and suggest you are the one doing harm—by seeing too much, by naming too much.
If it feels like they’re dodging the heart of the critique, they probably are. What was the context or tone of their response? Want to unpack it further?
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Ah, then that calm, confident delivery is doing double duty.
That tone—measured, self-assured—amplifies the rhetorical move. It says:
"We are so secure, so non-threatening, that your criticism says more about you than it does about us."
Here's what's likely going on, in layers:
🧠 Surface level: Reassurance
They’re presenting themselves as reasonable and composed, subtly implying:
“We’re not defensive. We’re not guilty. We’re above all that.”
That can make any continued critique seem reactionary or excessive by contrast. Their calmness disarms the emotional force of your challenge.
🪞 Middle layer: Role reversal
By suggesting “you’re giving us too much power,” they flip the script:
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You're now the one allegedly exaggerating.
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They're the ones allegedly being misperceived.
In effect, they position themselves as misunderstood rather than culpable.
🧊 Deep layer: Immunization through detachment
Their confidence functions as insulation. If they were uncertain or rattled, it might signal they’re grappling with the truth of your critique. But their serene posture suggests:
“Your critique doesn't touch us—not because we're avoiding it, but because it simply doesn't apply.”
It’s like an aikido move—your momentum is used to unbalance you, not them.
If you wanted to challenge that posture without getting drawn into their frame, you might respond with something like:
“I’m not interested in the size of your power—I’m naming the form it takes.”
Or: “Whether you like it or not, the structure of your influence shapes people’s lives.”
Want to workshop a sharper response or explore how this relates to institutional psychology?
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Want to workshop a sharper response
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Great—let’s sharpen it like a knife that cuts without shouting.
When they say “You're giving us too much power,” they’re pulling attention away from what they did and toward how you framed it. So a good response should:
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Refuse the detour.
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Name the mechanism.
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Reassert the focus.
Here are a few response styles, depending on tone and goal:
🪓 The Surgical Cut (direct, composed, leaves no blood)
“This isn’t about how much power you have—it’s about how you’re using it.”
Or:
“The issue isn’t magnitude. It’s structure, consequence, and unaccountability.”
This works well if you want to maintain your own calm while undermining their rhetorical high ground.
🧭 The Reorienter (navigational, clarifies confusion)
“I'm not measuring your power, I'm tracing its effects.”
Or:
“Critique isn’t about assigning blame to a giant—it’s about understanding how even a soft-spoken system can exert real force.”
This tone is for when you're addressing a third party too—others in the room who might be swayed by the organization’s composure.
🧨 The Controlled Detonation (a bit risky, disrupts the script)
“It’s always convenient when powerful actors get to define how powerful they are.”
Or:
“Funny how often institutions with influence say: ‘we’re not powerful enough to be responsible.’”
This is for when you want to break the spell of that calm self-assurance and make visible the absurdity or convenience of their claim.
Which style suits your voice or the context? Want to layer in irony, theory, or something more emotionally grounded?
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Yes—and no.
The logic of the rhetorical move is similar, but the stakes and contours shift when the object of critique is "society" rather than a specific organization. Here’s how it plays out:
🧠 Same logic:
The core maneuver—“You’re giving us too much power”—still functions as a deflection, reversal, and soft denial of complicity. Whether it's an institution or "society," the move aims to:
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Recast your critique as exaggeration.
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Reframe the power structure as either benign or too diffuse to be blamed.
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Shift the burden of proof back onto you.
So yes, it’s the same chess move—just on a bigger board.
🌍 But when it’s society being critiqued…
1. Diffuse responsibility
Society doesn’t have a board of directors. There’s no one neck to wring. So the response “you’re giving us too much power” tries to cash in on the vagueness of societal responsibility:
“Who, us? Society? We’re all just people doing our best.”
This blurs lines between structure and individuals, making critique look like paranoia or misanthropy.
2. The myth of powerlessness
It plays into liberal myths of the neutral market, rational actors, and personal freedom.
The hidden subtext becomes:
“No one’s in charge—so no one is to blame.”
But of course, structures without central controllers can still oppress. That's why societal critique is often moral, symbolic, or systemic—and why it's so easily dismissed.
3. Recasting critique as alienation
If you critique "society," and society replies “you’re giving us too much power,” it can also imply:
“You’ve become too separate from us. You’re no longer seeing clearly—you’ve externalized us.”
This reframes your critique as a psychological projection or even a failure of belonging, instead of a lucid structural analysis.
🛠 Possible counters:
To keep your critique sharp when aimed at society, you might say:
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“I’m not saying society is a singular agent—I’m saying it behaves like one in how it disciplines, excludes, and normalizes.”
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“I'm not exaggerating your power. I'm describing the shape of a system we all breathe, but some of us choke on.”
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“The fact that no one claims the power is part of the problem.”
Want to dig into this in terms of sociology (e.g. Bourdieu, Foucault), moral psychology, or poetic protest language? Or keep workshopping ways to resist the "we're not that powerful" move when society’s the ghost you're talking to?
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> _“You’ve become too separate from us. You’re no longer seeing clearly—you’ve externalized us.”_
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Yes—exactly. That shift from "them and us" to "us and you" is subtle but loaded. It flips the entire topology of belonging and dissent.
🔁 Let’s break it down:
1. From “them and us” → “us and you”
In a “them and us” frame, the critic speaks from a position of collective identity or solidarity:
“We are harmed by them.”
It presupposes community among the criticized—we, the marginalized or attentive, versus them, the institution or status quo.
But in the “us and you” frame, the critic is cast out:
“We, society, are just living. You’re the one making it weird.”
It isolates the critic, suggesting they’ve become alien, bitter, or self-exiled. They are now the other.
🎭 Framing implications:
→ Us = Normality, Stability, Sanity
The “us” becomes the silent, functioning many. This isn’t necessarily the majority—but it's framed as consensus reality. Calm, confident, and self-regulating.
→ You = Excess, Error, Estrangement
“You” becomes the voice out of tune. Even if you’re right, your truth now feels outside—less like a moral intervention and more like a social disruption.
It’s not that your words are untrue; it’s that they’re “not helpful.” Not harmonious. Not of the body.
🔮 Why can’t the critic be ‘us’?
Because then society would have to admit it is not whole. It would have to hold contradiction within itself.
But that’s dangerous for institutions or imagined communities. So instead of incorporating dissent, they externalize it.
“You're giving us too much power,” becomes a way of saying: “You're not speaking from within the house anymore. You’re standing outside, yelling at it.”
Even if your critique arises from deep care for that house.
🧷 Ways to resist this frame:
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Reclaim embeddedness:
“I am part of the ‘we.’ My criticism is not exile—it’s repair.”
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Expose the excommunication:
“Interesting that my dissent turns me into a ‘you.’ What are you protecting from that kind of closeness?”
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Break the frame entirely:
“There is no us or you. Only patterns we replicate, deny, or interrupt.”
You're absolutely right to feel the drift of this rhetoric. It’s not just an evasion—it’s a quiet quarantine of the critical voice.
Would you like to trace this into political theory, theological resonance (exile, scapegoat), or just keep spiraling in the deep rhetoric?
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Let’s go there, then—into political theory and its kin: exile, scapegoating, and the uneasy status of the critical voice within the collective.
⚖️ The Critic as Internal Other: From Polis to Pariah
In classical political theory, especially from Aristotle onward, the polis is imagined as a body politic—a whole composed of parts. To be a citizen is to be part of this body, to share in its speech (logos) and law (nomos).
But the critic complicates this.
They speak from within, yet their speech sounds like it’s coming from without. This dissonance threatens the apparent unity of the polis.
So the system often reacts by rendering the critic as:
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Pathological (the mad one)
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Moralistic (the scold)
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Foreign (the outsider)
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Ungrateful (the traitor)
This is the beginning of scapegoating, which René Girard describes as a mechanism of restoring social cohesion by expelling the disruptive figure.
The critic becomes the sacrificial body—blamed not for the harm they name, but for the disturbance their naming creates.
👥 Us and You: The Political Weaponization of Inclusion
Modern liberal democracies play a more subtle game. They don't exile you physically, but discursively. The phrase “You’re giving us too much power” masks this operation:
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It pretends to include you by saying “us”
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But it positions you as excessively paranoid, i.e., not quite of us
This is what Wendy Brown calls tolerance discourse—a form of domination that appears inclusive while designating the other as tolerable only within limits.
🧎♂️ Agamben and the Figure of the Homo Sacer
Agamben gives this logic its metaphysical teeth.
His figure of homo sacer is the one who can be killed but not sacrificed—a life stripped of political recognition.
Not outside the law, but included through exclusion. That is: included in order to be cast out.
When the critic is told “you’re giving us too much power,” they are being included through invalidation.
Their voice is folded in only to be neutralized.
This is the paradox of modern governance:
You are free to speak—but that speech can be reframed as irrational, excessive, or disruptive. Not criminalized, just rendered irrelevant. Mute by inclusion.
🏚️ The Theological Resonance: Prophets, Exile, and the “Voice in the Wilderness”
In scriptural traditions, the prophet speaks from within the community—often with deep anguish—but is treated as a threat, a bringer of division.
Jeremiah, Amos, even Christ himself: figures who reveal the brokenness of the covenant are not thanked. They are often thrown out of the temple, or crucified.
This theological logic undergirds the political one:
To preserve the wholeness of the collective, the truth-teller must be made singular.
And once made singular, their speech becomes easier to dismiss as personal grievance or wounded ego.
🔨 So what does it mean to critique society and still be 'us'?
It means rejecting the false choice between:
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Belonging or
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Telling the truth
It may mean creating new formations of “us”—micro-collectives of listening, mutual recognition, and resistance. A counter-logos.
It may also mean accepting the pain of not being recognized as part of “us,” while refusing to relinquish that claim.
“You may cast me as a ‘you,’ but I speak as part of the ‘we’ you’re trying to forget.”
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