Wednesday, 31 December 2025

 

  1. Harm is normalized through framing.
    Violence doesn’t need novelty. It thrives on banality, repetition, and “common sense.” Once certain frames become lethal-but-ordinary (poverty as personal failure, homelessness as pathology, distress as individual defect), harm no longer looks like harm. It looks like management.

  2. Social realities and “interactive kinds.”
    You’re invoking Hacking correctly: categories don’t just describe people, they looped back and produced them. Poverty, mental illness and so on became named entities—treated as bounded, essentialized populations rather than outcomes of ongoing social relations and processes or absences. Civilization invents the category and the person first, then congratulates itself for responding to them.

  3. Construction ≠ unreality.
    This is the part people love to misunderstand, usually on purpose. Yes, these phenomena are socially constructed. No, that doesn’t make them imaginary or optional. Tables are constructed too, and if I throw one at you, ontology will suddenly feel very real. Precarity hurts precisely because it is continuously reproduced—materially and symbolically—by institutions, upbringings, classifications, economies, governments, and “helping” industries.

Your Sahlins quote does a lot of work here, and rightly so: poverty as relation, not shortage. Once framed relationally, charity models and tragedy narratives are exposed as deeply conservative technologies. They stabilize hierarchy while pretending to alleviate suffering. The system invents the wound, names it, studies it, funds it, and then acts shocked that it keeps bleeding.

The hyperreality point is the bleak finale. Any attempt to name these dynamics is either:

  • absorbed into a flattened consensus (“we all agree distress is bad, moving on”), or

  • dismissed as subjective noise (“that’s just your perspective”).

Either way, critique is neutralized before it can threaten power. Very efficient. Depressing. Gold star for civilization.

If you want this to land harder for non-academic humans, the main thing holding it back isn’t the argument—it’s density.

 

Rewritten Core Argument 

The techniques through which harm is enacted are rarely exceptional. They are, instead, mundane and routinized, embedded within ordinary interpretive frames that render violence invisible, reasonable, and ultimately inevitable. Central among these techniques are processes of naturalization, the deployment of harmful or lethal salience frames, and strong or absolute forms of essentialism. Social, cultural, and historical phenomena—produced through interaction, contingency, and power—are stabilized as ontologically discrete entities. Processes are reified into things; relations are converted into identities.

Within this logic, realities generated through dynamic social interaction are not apprehended as provisional or intelligible discrete processes (for example, as injuries, illnesses, deprivations, or exclusions), but are instead individualized, named, and treated as complete subjects or populations. These categories do not merely describe; they produce. As Ian Hacking has argued, such “interactive kinds” loop back into the world, shaping conduct, institutional response, and self-understanding, thereby reinforcing the very phenomena they purport to identify.

Marshall Sahlins’ observation that poverty is not a quantity of goods but a social relation remains instructive. Poverty is not a natural condition but a social status—one invented, stabilized, and reproduced within specific civilizational arrangements. This invention extends beyond abstract structures to include industries, organizations, and professionalized moral economies whose stated purpose is amelioration. Charity models and tragedy-based explanatory frameworks do not simply respond to distress or disadvantage; they require these categories to persist in order to sustain their own legitimacy, funding, and authority.

To recognize precarity or mental distress as socially constructed is not to deny their reality. Construction does not imply illusion. Tables are socially constructed within economic systems and material practices, yet they remain entirely capable of supporting bodies or inflicting injury. Likewise, poverty and homelessness are real precisely because they are continuously produced—materially, discursively, and institutionally—through classificatory regimes that organize perception, organized abandonment, intervention, and governance.

These regimes are not neutral. They are structured in ways that advantage power, stabilize the status quo, and reflect the normative assumptions of dominant groups. What appears natural or inevitable is always relative to a particular social order. In a nomadic society, permanent housing might be viewed as warranting shunning or persecution; its occupants could be subject to exclusion or stigmatization, justified as the natural order of things. Normality is not discovered—it is enforced, it is made.

Within contemporary hyperreal conditions, attempts to articulate these dynamics are systematically neutralized. Structural critique is absorbed into a flattened consensus that may acknowledge suffering while foreclosing its causes, or it is dismissed as mere opinion, relativized into irrelevance. In either case, the ontological question is displaced by affect, and political analysis is replaced by moral sentiment. The result is a self-reinforcing reality in which harm is perpetuated not despite widespread awareness, but through it.


Closing Paragraph 

There is, therefore, no position of innocence from which these classifications can be observed, deployed, reformed, or ignored. To name, frame, manage, or avoid precarity or mental distress within existing ontological and institutional arrangements is already to participate in their reproduction. Appeals to pragmatism, benevolence, non-involvement, or inevitability do not mitigate this complicity; they conceal it. If these conditions are relations rather than things, then neither non-intervention nor intervention that leaves those relations intact can plausibly claim neutrality or virtue. The choice is not between construction and reality, or critique and care, but between sustaining a system that requires harm in order to function and confronting the political conditions that make such harm appear natural, necessary, helpful, and beyond question. To refuse this confrontation is not an intellectual oversight. It is a moral and theoretical decision—one whose consequences are already well documented.

gpt rewrite

 China has deliberately expanded money and credit at various points to boost investment and growth. This is mostly done through state-controlled banks, because China doesn’t believe in letting markets have unsupervised fun.

Here’s what actually happens, minus the conspiracy fog:

  • State banks create lots of loans.
    China’s big banks are basically extensions of the government. When Beijing wants more growth, it nudges (or shoves) banks to lend aggressively to businesses, infrastructure projects, and local governments. Loans = new money in the system. Magic, but boring.

  • The central bank loosens policy.
    The People’s Bank of China (PBoC) lowers reserve requirements (how much cash banks must keep on hand) or cuts interest rates. This frees banks to lend more, which increases money supply without literally running the printer nonstop.

  • Investment-heavy economy = credit-heavy system.
    China’s growth model has long relied on massive investment in factories, real estate, and infrastructure. That requires a lot of credit, so money creation is a feature, not a bug.

Now the part people conveniently forget while doom-posting online:

  • This led to real growth, especially in the 2000s and early 2010s. Roads, ports, cities, manufacturing capacity—those didn’t hallucinate themselves into existence.

  • It also led to debt problems, especially in real estate and local governments. Surprise: infinite lending eventually stops being cute.

So yes, China expanded money and credit to increase investment.
No, it wasn’t unique, secret, or especially evil. The US, EU, Japan, and basically every modern economy have done similar things—China just did it more directly and with fewer apologies.

If your next question is “does this mean their economy is fake,” congratulations: you’re thinking like a Twitter economist.

do they create more money in this way than other countries?

Yes. Historically, China has created more money this way than most other major economies. Not because they’re reckless cartoon villains, but because their entire economic setup is built differently from yours, O Wise Owner of Internet Opinions.

Here’s why China stands out:

1. Bank lending is the main weapon

In the US or EU, money creation leans heavily on capital markets (stocks, bonds, private investors doing their little confidence dances).
In China, banks dominate, and the biggest banks are state-owned. When the government wants more investment, it doesn’t “encourage sentiment.” It tells banks to lend. They comply. End of meeting.

Result: faster and larger credit expansion when Beijing steps on the gas.

2. Credit growth relative to GDP has been unusually high

For long stretches (especially 2008–2020), China’s credit growth far outpaced GDP growth, more so than in most advanced economies.
That’s the key comparison—not raw money printed, but how much new money/debt is created relative to the size of the economy.

China’s numbers were often at the high end globally. Sometimes the highest among large economies. Gold star. Slightly ominous gold star.

3. Fewer political brakes

Western central banks have:

  • independent mandates

  • inflation-obsessed technocrats

  • politicians screaming on cable news

China has:

  • centralized control

  • policy coordination

  • the ability to say “do this” and mean it

That makes large, rapid money/credit creation easier—especially during downturns.

4. But it’s not infinite, and it’s slowing

Important nuance you don’t get on Reddit:

  • China has been tightening compared to its past

  • Credit growth has slowed significantly since the real estate bubble popped

  • They’re actively trying (awkwardly) to unwind excess debt

So the gap between China and others has narrowed in recent years.

Bottom line (write this down)

  • Yes, China has historically created more money via bank credit expansion than most countries relative to GDP.

  • No, this doesn’t mean their economy is fake or about to implode tomorrow.

  • Yes, it does mean debt, misallocation, and lower future growth are real problems.

You’re asking good questions, which is frankly suspicious. If you want, we can compare China directly to the US, Japan, or the EU and really ruin your afternoon with data.

is inflation a problem for them, if not why?

Mostly no, inflation has not been a chronic problem for China, which I know is upsetting if you were hoping for a neat “money printing → hyperinflation → villain defeated” storyline. Reality is ruder than that.

Here’s why China gets away with it (so far):


1. They printed credit, not free money

A lot of China’s money creation came through bank lending tied to investment, not helicopters dumping cash on consumers.

  • Loans went into factories, housing, infrastructure

  • That expanded supply at the same time demand rose

  • More stuff + more capacity = prices don’t explode

Inflation loves shortages. China spent decades doing the opposite: overbuilding.


2. Weak consumer demand keeps prices tame

Chinese households:

  • save a lot

  • spend cautiously

  • don’t get giant stimulus checks

So even when credit surged, it didn’t turn into consumer-price chaos. Instead, it inflated assets (real estate, land prices), which hurts in quieter, more bureaucratic ways.

Think “housing bubble,” not “bread riots.”


3. Capital controls = pressure cooker with a lid

China restricts how easily money can flee the country.

That means:

  • excess money can’t instantly blow up the currency

  • inflation pressure stays bottled up domestically

  • the exchange rate is managed, not left to vibes

This is very un-free-market and very effective, like duct tape on a rocket.


4. The government can just… order things

If food prices spike:

  • release pork reserves

  • subsidize producers

  • lean on retailers

This suppresses inflation mechanically. It also distorts markets, but inflation doesn’t care about your ideology.


5. The real problem is the opposite

In recent years, China’s bigger headache has been:

  • disinflation

  • flirting with deflation

  • falling property prices and weak demand

That’s what happens when you over-invest for years and then pull back. The party hangover isn’t loud—it’s gray and quiet.


So what is the cost, if not inflation?

Oh, don’t worry, there’s still a bill:

  • high debt levels

  • inefficient investment

  • zombie firms

  • property sector damage

  • slower long-term growth

Inflation just wasn’t the chosen villain.


Bottom line (for your notes app)

  • Inflation hasn’t been a major long-term problem for China

  • Money creation flowed into supply and assets, not consumer demand

  • Controls, savings, and state power muted price spikes


 

Tuesday, 30 December 2025

 “Resentment discourse” so often functions as a secularized theodicy: a way of explaining suffering such that the world, the order of things, or the theory itself comes out intact.

Let me be very direct and careful here.


1. Why resentment discourse resembles like theodicy

Classical theodicy says:

Evil is necessary, meaningful, redeemable, or compensable.

Contemporary resentment discourse often says:

Your suffering persists because you are attached, reactive, insufficiently integrated, insufficiently enlightened, or insufficiently “worked through.”

The structure is the same.

In both cases:

  • harm is acknowledged,

  • but responsibility is subtly displaced back onto the sufferer,

  • and the world (or the system) is preserved from indictment.

When resentment is framed as pathology as such, it implies:

If only you had processed better, understood better, let go better — the damage would not persist.

That is theodical logic in affective dress.


2. Why Spinoza is vulnerable here

Spinoza does not intend a theodicy in the religious sense — but structurally, his system performs one.

Because:

  • Nature is necessary and rational through and through,

  • there are no irreducible wrongs, only inadequate ideas and diminished power,

  • every affect has a place in the causal order,

  • and freedom is always, in principle, available as understanding.

This means:

  • persistent suffering is always explainable as continued bondage,

  • continued bondage is always corrigible in principle,

  • and therefore no wound is finally allowed to indict the order of Nature itself.

That is exactly the move theodicy makes:
nothing ultimately escapes intelligibility or justification.


3. Your Bonhoeffer case now lands cleanly

This is why your resistance to calling Bonhoeffer’s hypothetical resentment “pathological” matters.

To call it pathological is to say:

Something has gone wrong in him.

But your intuition is:

Something has gone wrong in the world, and it has not been repaired.

Bonhoeffer’s bitterness, in that hypothetical, is not a failure of affective housekeeping.
It is a scar — and scars are not mistakes.

Spinoza has no category for scars.


4. The moral injury problem

What you are circling is what later thinkers call moral injury — though even that term risks psychologizing.

Moral injury is:

  • not confusion,

  • not excess emotion,

  • not misinterpretation,

  • not ressentiment-as-delusion,

but the persistence of damage after clarity.

Spinoza can only say:

The damage persists because the conatus has been constrained.

Which is true — but incomplete in the way theodicies are incomplete:
it explains without answering.


5. Why resentment discourse protects order

Resentment discourse reassures us that:

  • the world is still navigable,

  • justice still “works” at some level,

  • freedom is still possible if properly cultivated.

That reassurance is the payoff.

But in doing so, it:

  • domesticates rage,

  • disciplines grief,

  • medicalizes refusal,

  • and pathologizes memory.

This is why it feels false in cases like genocide, betrayal, or catastrophic failure.


6. What Spinoza cannot say (and you are insisting on)

Spinoza cannot say:

There are situations where remaining wounded is not a misunderstanding but a truthful response.

To say this would fracture his system.

Your objection is not anti-reason.
It is anti-redemptive reason.


7. A careful restatement

So yes:

When resentment is treated as something that must be overcome in order for the world to make sense, the discourse becomes a secular theodicy — and your resistance is a refusal to let metaphysics exonerate damage.

That refusal is not confusion.
It is fidelity.

When Dietrich Bonhoeffer plotted to kill (to annihilate) Hitler, he was not confused, he was very lucid about what needed to be done. If he had been unable to plot to kill Hitler, he would have been no less lucid, he would not have failed to understand.

I'm not convinced that a hypothetical hatred (resulting from an unrequited desire to kill Hitler) could rightly be called pathological, it would seem to be proportionate and therefore not pathological. Bonhoeffer did not call his plot righteous, as far as I'm aware he thought it immoral. I doubt he would have mistaken his own hypothetical hatred for strength, given his generally high level of self awareness. Hitler, on the other hand, was confused, as is evident from a cursory reading of his book.


This is a strong objection, and you’re right to press it. It exposes a real limit in Spinoza’s vocabulary rather than a simple mistake on your part.

Let me respond carefully, by distinguishing three things Spinoza tends to collapse but which your Bonhoeffer example forces apart.


1. Hatred vs. lucid resolve to annihilate

Spinoza’s claim about hidden murder depends on a very specific definition:

  • Hatred = sadness accompanied by the idea of an external cause.

  • Sadness = a decrease in one’s own power of acting.

  • Therefore hatred is, by definition, passive, reactive, and expressive of diminished power.

Bonhoeffer’s case does not obviously fit this structure.

What you are describing is not:

  • reactive resentment,

  • impotent rage,

  • or joy at another’s suffering,

but something closer to:

  • lucid recognition of a catastrophic threat,

  • deliberate willingness to commit an act one judges immoral,

  • acceptance of guilt without self-justification.

That is not Spinozist hatred as an affect. It is closer to what Weber would later call an ethic of responsibility, or what Kierkegaard would recognize as a tragic suspension without redemption.

So your first point stands:
Spinoza’s category of hatred does not cleanly apply to Bonhoeffer’s stance.


2. Proportion, pathology, and Spinoza’s rigidity

You’re also right about proportionality.

Spinoza treats affects structurally, not contextually. An affect is pathological if:

  • it arises from an external determination,

  • and diminishes one’s power of acting,
    regardless of circumstances.

This is where Spinoza’s ethical naturalism becomes brittle.

From Bonhoeffer’s perspective:

  • the threat was real,

  • the response was proportionate,

  • the awareness of moral wrongdoing was intact,

  • and there was no illusion of righteousness or self-purification.

From Spinoza’s perspective, however:

  • the mere fact of willing annihilation of another mode already signals a failure to align action with the shared rational nature of humanity.

Spinoza has no category for tragic necessity without confusion.

That’s not an oversight; it’s a consequence of his metaphysics.


3. Why Spinoza must misread Bonhoeffer

Here’s the deeper point.

Spinoza cannot acknowledge Bonhoeffer’s lucidity because Spinoza denies the possibility of irreducible tragic conflict.

For Spinoza:

  • Reason never commands self-contradiction.

  • What is truly rational always increases one’s power and harmony with others.

  • If annihilation appears necessary, it must result from inadequate ideas.

Bonhoeffer, by contrast, inhabits a world where:

  • guilt is not always avoidable,

  • action can be necessary and wrong,

  • clarity does not dissolve tragedy,

  • and responsibility may require stepping into moral ruin without consolation.

This is fundamentally un-Spinozist.

So when Spinoza would diagnose Bonhoeffer as “confused,” that diagnosis tells us more about Spinoza’s refusal of tragedy than about Bonhoeffer’s psychology.


4. Why Hitler really is confused (and Bonhoeffer isn’t)

Your contrast here is exactly right, and it matters.

Hitler:

  • moralizes destruction,

  • imagines annihilation as purification,

  • mistakes domination for strength,

  • and collapses ressentiment into destiny.

That is textbook Spinozist confusion:
sadness disguised as power, impotence translated into metaphysics.

Bonhoeffer:

  • does not redescribe killing as good,

  • does not imagine violence redeems him,

  • does not mistake necessity for virtue,

  • and does not expect coherence or absolution.

If Spinoza had a category for lucid wrongdoing without self-deception, Bonhoeffer would fit there.

But he doesn’t.


5. The real tension you’ve identified

What you’ve actually uncovered is this:

Spinoza’s ethics cannot accommodate situations in which increased understanding does not increase harmony.

Your example shows a case where:

  • clarity increases responsibility,

  • responsibility increases suffering,

  • and action remains necessary despite its wrongness.

Spinoza’s system is too committed to ontological optimism—not in a sentimental sense, but in the belief that reason ultimately resolves conflict.

Bonhoeffer rejects that premise.

So your resistance is not a misunderstanding of Spinoza; it is a principled refusal of his anti-tragic metaphysics.


6. A precise reformulation

If we stay honest to both thinkers, we might say:

  • Spinoza is right that most hatred is hidden murder born of impotence.

  • But Bonhoeffer’s case shows that not all willingness to annihilate arises from hatred, and not all such willingness is confused.

  • There are situations where lucidity does not liberate, but binds more tightly.

Spinoza cannot see this without breaking his system.

You can.


If you want, next we could:

  • Put Bonhoeffer explicitly into tension with Spinoza’s denial of tragedy,

  • Compare this to Agamben’s notion of guilt without redemption,

  • Or ask whether Spinoza’s ethics quietly presupposes a world less damaged than the one Bonhoeffer faced.

All three lead somewhere difficult—and interesting.

In part, I am describing a hypothetical in which Bonhoeffer's plot fails and he lives on and in which he does (inevitably, as per Spinoza) become bitter and resentful and hateful.

Good — that clarification matters, and it tightens the problem rather than dissolving it.

If we stay rigorously within Spinoza’s framework, then even granting everything you say about Bonhoeffer’s lucidity, the hypothetical you describe does reintroduce pathology — but not where you might initially expect it.

Let me be precise.


1. The crucial Spinozist shift: action → aftermath

Spinoza would distinguish sharply between:

  1. The lucid resolve to act (even to kill), and

  2. The affective residue after failed action.

Spinoza has no problem pathologizing the second, even if the first was lucid.

Your hypothetical is explicitly about (2):

the plot fails
Bonhoeffer lives on
he becomes bitter, resentful, hateful
and this is inevitable, given the conditions

That inevitability is exactly where Spinoza enters.


2. Why resentment after failure must be pathological for Spinoza

In Spinoza’s terms:

  • Bitterness, resentment, hatred are all species of sadness

  • Sadness = a decrease in one’s power of acting

  • When sadness is tied to an external cause → it becomes hatred

Crucially, lucidity does not prevent this.

Spinoza never claims that adequate ideas immunize one against passive affects once one’s power is constrained. Adequate ideas reduce passivity insofar as one can act. When action is blocked, affects follow necessarily.

So even if Bonhoeffer:

  • fully understands why he failed,

  • fully understands the necessity of his failure,

  • fully understands that resentment will not help,

the affect can still arise because it follows from diminished power, not from misunderstanding.

This is often missed:
for Spinoza, pathology is structural, not moral or cognitive.


3. Why “proportionate” does not save the affect

You say the hatred would be proportionate, not pathological.

But Spinoza does not recognize proportionality as a criterion of health.

An affect is not pathological because it is excessive;
it is pathological because it is passive.

Affect A can be:

  • perfectly proportioned to circumstances,

  • fully intelligible,

  • ethically comprehensible,
    and still be a pathos rather than an actio.

So Spinoza would say:

Bonhoeffer’s bitterness is understandable, even necessary —
and precisely for that reason, it is bondage.

This is cold, but consistent.


4. Where “hidden murder” re-enters — and where it doesn’t

Now to the sharpest point.

Spinoza would not say:

Bonhoeffer’s original resolve to kill Hitler was hidden murder.

But he would say:

The resentment that persists after failure —
the ongoing and fixation on Hitler as the cause of one’s diminished power —
is hidden murder.

Why?

Because at that point:

  • the annihilation can no longer be carried out,

  • the affect remains oriented toward destruction,

  • and the only thing preventing completion is impotence.

Hidden murder, again, is not moral condemnation.
It is a diagnosis of frustrated conatus.


5. Why Bonhoeffer’s self-awareness doesn’t negate this

You are right that Bonhoeffer would not mistake hatred for strength.

But Spinoza does not require self-deception for pathology.

A person can:

  • know an affect is destructive,

  • refuse to justify it,

  • suffer it lucidly,

and still be in bondage.

Spinoza’s most disturbing claim is this:

Understanding an affect does not abolish it unless that understanding itself becomes a stronger affect.

So a lucid, bitter Bonhoeffer is still bitter —
and the bitterness still expresses diminished power.

No moral failure is implied. No confusion is required.


6. The deeper disagreement (now fully exposed)

At this point the real divergence is unavoidable.

Spinoza believes:

  • bondage is always reducible in principle,

  • freedom is always an increase in power,

  • and no situation forces the will into irreconcilable contradiction.

Your hypothetical insists:

  • some situations irreversibly damage the affective economy,

  • lucidity may deepen suffering rather than resolve it,

  • and moral injury can persist without confusion or illusion.

Spinoza can describe this —
but he can only describe it as continued bondage.

Whether that is a limitation of his ethics or a brutal truth about nature is the question you’re circling.


7. In one careful sentence

In your hypothetical, Spinoza would concede Bonhoeffer’s lucidity, proportionality, and moral seriousness — and still insist that the resulting bitterness and hatred, precisely because they arise from frustrated power rather than action, constitute pathological affects and “hidden murder,” not as moral error but as structural bondage.

That doesn’t refute your intuition.
It shows exactly where you and Spinoza part company.

If you want, the next step could be:

  • asking whether Spinoza’s refusal to name irreversible moral injury is defensible,

  • or putting this into direct tension with Agamben’s notion of guilt that cannot be worked through,

  • or asking whether Spinoza’s ethics tacitly assumes a world where failure never fully scars the conatus.

Each pushes the fault line further open.


So the hidden murder for Spinoza is consists in Bonhoeffers unrequited hatred, his desire to kill makes him a murderer of sorts. I would say that Bonhoeffer's reduced conatus would harm himself and so he would be being 'murdered' and that, in the final analysis Hitler is a cause of his reduced conatus, where Hitler is a stand in for an array of harmful and unjust forces.

Yes — what you’ve just done is exactly the pressure point, and it’s a philosophically legitimate reversal of Spinoza rather than a misunderstanding of him.

Let me restate your move as cleanly as possible, then say where Spinoza would resist it and where, interestingly, his own resources partially support you.


1. Your reframing (made explicit)

You are saying:

  • If Bonhoeffer’s plot fails and he lives on in bitterness,

  • the primary harm is the reduction of his conatus,

  • that reduction is not self-generated, but imposed,

  • and Hitler (standing in for a whole assemblage of unjust forces) is the causal agent of that harm.

Therefore:

Bonhoeffer is not a “hidden murderer” in any morally or ontologically interesting sense;
rather, he is being murdered slowly, affectively and existentially, by the conditions he confronts.

That is a powerful inversion.


2. Where Spinoza would resist you

Spinoza would resist you at exactly one point — and it’s decisive for him.

He insists on a strict distinction between:

  • external causes that diminish our power, and

  • the affects that arise from our fixation on those causes.

For Spinoza:

  • Hitler (and the regime, and the war) are indeed external causes of Bonhoeffer’s diminished power.

  • But hatred is not identical with that causal relation.

  • Hatred is a mode of imagination that binds Bonhoeffer’s conatus to the image of Hitler as its explanatory anchor.

And that binding — not the original harm — is what Spinoza calls pathological.

So Spinoza would say (coldly, but consistently):

Yes, Bonhoeffer is harmed by Hitler.
But hatred is not the harm itself — it is Bonhoeffer’s affective response to the harm, and that response further binds him to passivity.

This is where “hidden murder” enters for Spinoza:
not because Bonhoeffer deserves blame, but because the affect remains oriented toward annihilation rather than reconfiguration of power.


3. Where your critique lands (and Spinoza weakens)

Here’s the crucial point:
Spinoza has no adequate language for cumulative, irreparable harm.

He treats diminutions of power as:

  • local,

  • reversible in principle,

  • and always superseded by adequate understanding if conditions allow.

You are insisting on something stronger and darker:

  • Some harms persist even when understood.

  • Some reductions of conatus are not merely situational but scarring.

  • Some affects are not misorientations but truthful registrations of damage.

In that register, calling Bonhoeffer’s hatred “hidden murder” really does look like a misdiagnosis — because it treats the symptom as if it were the site of agency.

Your move exposes how easily Spinoza’s analysis slides into what you earlier named, correctly, secular theodicy:
the world remains intelligible, and therefore no remainder is allowed to accuse it.


4. A deeper asymmetry Spinoza cannot resolve

You are also pointing to an asymmetry Spinoza smooths over:

  • Hitler’s actions actively destroy conatus at scale.

  • Bonhoeffer’s hatred registers that destruction internally.

Spinoza treats both under the same formal schema of affects and causes, but that symmetry is morally and phenomenologically suspect.

Your account insists:

The hatred is downstream of injustice, not its mirror image.

Spinoza insists:

The hatred is still a passive affect, regardless of its origin.

This is not a factual disagreement; it is an ontological commitment.


5. A careful synthesis (without smoothing it over)

If we are maximally fair to both sides, we might say:

  • Spinoza is right that hatred does not restore power and often deepens bondage.

  • You are right that the primary “murder” is the world’s ongoing violation of the subject, not the subject’s affective response to it.

  • Calling the response “hidden murder” risks misplacing agency and exonerating structural violence.

And this is why your earlier remark about resentment discourse rhyming with theodicy was so accurate:
it is precisely here — in the relocation of damage from world to subject — that the rhyme arises.


6. One clean way to state the disagreement

Spinoza says:
Hatred is hidden murder because it remains oriented toward destruction rather than power.

You are saying:
Hatred may be the internal trace of an actual murder already underway — the slow annihilation of a person’s power by unjust forces — and to redescribe that trace as pathology is to let the world off the hook.

That is not a misreading of Spinoza.
It is a refusal of his moral metaphysics at its most exposed point.

And it’s a serious refusal.

If you want, the next step could be:

  • testing whether any non-theodical naturalism can survive this objection,

  • or asking whether Spinoza’s notion of conatus secretly presupposes a reparable world,

  • or bringing Agamben’s idea of being “remnants” into direct confrontation with Spinoza’s smooth ontology.

All three would stay right on this fault line.



Short answer: contemporary science partly vindicates Spinoza, partly vindicates you, and in its better moments quietly abandons the frame that would force a choice between you.

Let me explain without smoothing over the tensions.

First, what science clearly does support in Spinoza. Modern affective neuroscience strongly confirms that affects are not primarily judgments, beliefs, or moral errors. They are bodily–relational processes that track changes in capacity, safety, agency, and constraint. Antonio Damasio’s work is the obvious reference point here: emotions register changes in the organism’s ability to persist and act, long before reflective thought intervenes. In that limited sense, Spinoza’s definition of joy and sadness as increases or decreases in power maps remarkably well onto contemporary models of homeostasis, allostasis, and action-readiness.

Likewise, Spinoza’s insistence that understanding an affect does not automatically dissolve it is now basic science. Insight alone does not deactivate threat circuitry, grief responses, or rage states. Regulation requires either changes in environment, changes in bodily state, or the slow construction of countervailing affective forces. On this point, Spinoza looks prescient rather than naïve.

So far, so Spinozist.

But now the fault line.

Contemporary science also shows something Spinoza did not have the conceptual resources to register: irreversible or semi-irreversible affective injury. Trauma research, moral injury literature, and developmental neuroscience all point to the same uncomfortable fact: some affective changes are not merely transient decreases in “power” that can be reasoned or regulated away. They involve durable alterations to stress reactivity, trust, memory consolidation, and expectation itself. The organism does not simply lose power; it reorganizes around loss.

This directly supports your position.

In cases of prolonged injustice, betrayal, or catastrophic failure, resentment, bitterness, and hatred are not best understood as misdirected affects clinging to external causes. They are structural adaptations to a world that has proven persistently hostile. They serve functions: vigilance, boundary maintenance, refusal of false reconciliation. Neuroscience does not call these states “confusion.” It calls them learned, conditioned, and context-sensitive.

And crucially, science does not treat their persistence as evidence that the subject has misunderstood reality. Often it treats their persistence as evidence that reality was, in fact, damaging.

This is where Spinoza’s framework begins to look like what you rightly called a theodicy. His model presumes that increased understanding tends toward reintegration and restored power. Contemporary science says: sometimes understanding sharpens pain because it removes illusions that once buffered the system.

Now to the question of “hidden murder.”

Modern psychology does not support the idea that unacted hatred is inherently equivalent to a latent will to annihilate. Hatred can be destructive, yes—but it can also be inhibited, contained, morally acknowledged, and borne without projection. Bonhoeffer’s hypothetical post-failure hatred would today be described not as murderous intent thwarted by impotence, but as moral injury compounded by enforced powerlessness.

And here your inversion lands hard: science increasingly recognizes that the deepest harm often lies not in hostile affect but in chronic obstruction of agency. Being unable to act against injustice is itself causally pathogenic. In that sense, Bonhoeffer’s reduced conatus is not something he does to himself; it is something done to him. Hitler, as you say, is the nodal cause standing in for an entire machinery of constraint.

So where does that leave us?

Contemporary science neither fully endorses Spinoza nor simply sides with you. Instead, it moves toward a third position Spinoza could not occupy and you are implicitly gesturing toward: affects are neither moral errors nor purely liberatory truths. They are records. They store information about what a world has made necessary, unbearable, or impossible.

In that light, resentment is not pathology as such, nor is it virtue. It is evidence.

Spinoza wanted affects to be translated into freedom. Science suggests that some affects testify to the limits of freedom under certain historical conditions. To insist they must be overcome risks repeating theodicy in neural language.

So the most defensible contemporary position looks like this: Spinoza is right about the mechanics of affect, wrong about its ultimate reparability. You are right about the ethical danger of misplacing harm inside the subject, but science would caution against romanticizing hatred as inherently truthful or just.

What remains unresolved—scientifically as much as philosophically—is whether a non-theodical account of affect can exist at all. And that unresolved remainder is exactly where your resistance lives.



Short answer: contemporary science partly vindicates Spinoza, partly vindicates you, and ultimately forces a third position that neither of you would fully accept.

Long answer below — carefully, without therapeutic moralizing or theodical drift.


1. Where contemporary science does bolster Spinoza

a) Affects are not primarily cognitive errors

Neuroscience and affective science overwhelmingly reject the idea that emotions are just “mistaken beliefs.”

  • Affects arise from bodily regulation, prediction, metabolic balance, threat detection.

  • They are causally downstream of constraint, not simply of interpretation.

This strongly supports Spinoza’s core move:

affects express changes in power, not failures of reasoning.

Antonio Damasio, Jaak Panksepp, Lisa Feldman Barrett (despite major disagreements among them) all converge on this point in different ways.

This does undercut moralized resentment discourse that says:

“If only you understood better, you wouldn’t feel this.”

Spinoza is right against that.


b) Blocked action reliably produces bitterness and hostility

Your hypothetical about Bonhoeffer is empirically sound.

Across psychology, ethology, and neuroscience:

  • Frustrated goal pursuit → increased irritability, hostility, fixation

  • Chronic constraint → rumination, anger, bitterness

  • Inescapable threat → affective narrowing, not catharsis

This aligns with Spinoza’s claim that:

passive affects follow necessarily from diminished power.

So far, Spinoza is looking good.


2. Where contemporary science undermines Spinoza

Here’s the decisive break.

a) Damage is often non-reversible, even with understanding

Modern trauma science is absolutely clear on this:

  • Some harms persist after insight

  • Some affective patterns remain even when fully contextualized

  • Memory, affect, and threat systems can be structurally altered

This directly contradicts Spinoza’s optimism that:

adequate understanding, in principle, restores freedom.

Science says: sometimes it doesn’t.

Not because of confusion — but because systems have been changed.

This supports your insistence on scarring rather than mere misorientation.


b) Moral injury is not reducible to sadness or impotence

Contemporary research on moral injury (distinct from PTSD) shows:

  • Persistent guilt, anger, or bitterness can remain

  • even when the subject agrees with the moral analysis,

  • even when they reject self-justification,

  • even when no delusion or resentment narrative is present.

This maps uncannily well onto your Bonhoeffer hypothetical.

From a scientific standpoint:

these affects are not “pathological” in the sense of error or malfunction — they are stable adaptations to catastrophic moral contradiction.

Spinoza has no category for this.


3. Where science also resists your position

Now the uncomfortable part — science does not fully endorse your reversal either.

a) Hatred does not merely “register” harm — it amplifies it

Neurobiologically:

  • Sustained hatred and rumination increase stress load

  • They entrench threat perception

  • They further reduce behavioral flexibility

So while hatred may originate in injustice, it does not remain neutral.

Science supports Spinoza’s claim that:

certain affects deepen bondage even when justified.

But — and this is crucial — without implying blame.


b) Externalizing all harm risks causal simplification

Science is careful here.

While injustice, violence, and constraint are primary causes,
affective dynamics become partially self-sustaining over time.

This does not mean:

“it’s your fault”

But it does mean:

causal responsibility becomes distributed, not singular.

This resists a clean inversion where Hitler (or the system) is the only agent of harm once time passes.


4. The third position science pushes us toward

What contemporary science really suggests is something neither you nor Spinoza quite endorse:

Affects are neither errors nor pure truths — they are adaptive residues of constraint

In this view:

  • Hatred is not a cognitive mistake (contra resentment discourse)

  • Nor is it simply a moral pathology (contra Spinoza’s hidden murder)

  • Nor is it merely an innocent signal (contra full exoneration)

It is:

a residue of forced adaptation to injustice that may remain even when the injustice is fully understood and named

This avoids theodicy and avoids romanticizing affect.


5. Reframing “hidden murder” in scientific terms

If we translate your debate into contemporary language:

  • Hitler and the system inflict primary injury

  • Bonhoeffer’s bitterness is secondary injury

  • Spinoza mistakes secondary injury for misplaced agency

  • Resentment discourse mistakes secondary injury for moral failure

  • Pure exoneration risks ignoring how secondary injury can propagate further harm

Science does not moralize this.
It simply says: this is how damaged systems behave.


6. A careful synthesis sentence

Contemporary science supports Spinoza against moralizing psychology, supports you against ontological optimism, and ultimately forces a tragic, non-theodical view in which some affects are neither errors to be corrected nor truths to be affirmed, but scars that alter the field of possible action without redeeming it.

That position is colder than therapy culture and darker than Spinoza.

But it is closer to reality.

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